Re: [WICEN-Members] fitz challenge path profiles
Hi Glen
Does your modelling take account of the potential absorption of RF due to the increased density of vegitation following the 2003 fires?
At Kangaroo Creek I used a 3el yagi pointing at an exposed rock cluster on the south-east face of Billy Billy range around 1400 metres ASL. At 50 watts output I hit the Isaacs repeater but only in the horizontal plane. I had little to no reception in the vertical plane.
The reflections off the rock face may have caused a polarisation change from vertical to horizontal, assuming the WICEN repeater antenna is vertical.
Regards
Andrew, VK1NAM web: http://vk1nam.wordpress.com sent from phone On 27/10/2014 10:22 AM, "Glen English" glen@pacificmedia.com.au wrote:
Fitz challenge difficult profiles ..... if you were at these, you had your work cut out :-) However- I think that the difficulty scale it was probably one point too high for you guys given the short setup time you all had.
And that is the pursuit of the hobby- to learn, experience, understand...... If we give everyone full scale signals, then nobody learns anything. Nobody learns to copy weak signals, ensure their antennas works, understand propagation variabilities, understands how to pick a signal behaviour based on the terrain around them.. etc.
It's surprising what you can do with 15W (the power at repeater antenna) . Yes, 15W ! 75W next time. Why does it work with 15W? - because the repeater, on the left, has a very good takeoff.
Issacs- Rendezvous Creek (more difficult due to the proximity of the immediate obstruction)
Issacs - Corin Forest
Issacs- Kangaroo Creek (corin dam)
issacs - Honeysuckle tracking stn
issacs - Orroral TS.
This is more difficult :
Mt Tennant to Kangaroo Creek
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Hi Andrew Good work on the reflection. Appreciate your efforts.
Yes, I take into account vegetation loss- but vegetation losses are an in-exact science to say the least. The vegetation losses are quite low at VHF high band.
I am unsurprised that the reflections were the best signal.
Certainly signal polarization can get scrambled into "diffuse" (random pol). The polarisation was likely mixed. However, H and V components would fade in different locations (useful for diversity systems) .
It is possible that in horizontal polarization, you were getting some ground-gain on the horizontal component, which is good for 6dB on a good day. ANd that would have been well worthwhile.
If you get a chance, can you send me the coordinates, or the google placemark, of what you think was the reflection, and I'll study the ray path.
glen
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